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    Thread: Malaysian Airlines flight 370, 777-200 has gone missing.

    1. 03-11-2014 01:31 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by KrautFed View Post
      My problem with the terrorist theory is motive. A terrorist is essentially an attention whore for some reason or cause. For this, we've heard nothing. The only terrorist theory that would make sense would be similar to 9/11 United Airlines flight 93, which was still full of motive/distress calls/etc.
      Or someone really wanted to kill a couple people for personal motives or to prove a point.

      Really it sucks, but the fact is right now we know NOTHING.

      We will see what happens in the next few days.

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      03-11-2014 04:22 PM #27
      True, we clearly don't know enough.

      The whole off route thing is super questionable now too, makes you think Silk Air 185, but then again why would the pilot need to go off course to achieve crashing.
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      03-11-2014 11:46 PM #28
      We don't even know for sure that the aircraft "crashed", theoretically it could have landed at any one of hundreds of airports in dozens of countries !! All we know for sure is the transponder/s went "off line" !! The Iranians have now been discounted as terrorist suspects as they were fleeing to Europe to look for political asylum (according to the friend that helped them buy the tickets anyway). What I find hard to credit with all the electronic tracking gear in existence these days is that you can basically turn off the transponder/s and become invisible !! in a 777 !!!!!!!
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      03-12-2014 12:13 AM #29
      It crashed.


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      03-12-2014 06:30 AM #30
      Plane was seen on military radars near Pulau Perak at low attitude.
      Also family members say that some passenger cell phones are still active.

    6. 03-12-2014 10:40 AM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by Fantomasz View Post
      Plane was seen on military radars near Pulau Perak at low attitude.
      Also family members say that some passenger cell phones are still active.
      The cell phone thing has been repeated over and over and it means nothing. I'm almost certain the phones are dead, however, some people may have things like a cloned sim, so they can use multiple phones, call forwarding to another active number, or google voice like I do, or hell the cell network just may not see them offline in error, the latter of which is very common.

      I was trying to follow this on airliners.net before, and I stopped. It was almost all speculation, and conspiracy theories. Besides the changed course seen on radar we still know nothing, and suspect we will still know nothing for a while.

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      03-12-2014 04:54 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by ATL_Av8r View Post
      ...Every dip**** on airliners.net became ACARS experts overnight back in '09.
      are you referring to JetDrvr?

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      03-12-2014 06:16 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by 69flyguy View Post
      are you referring to JetDrvr?


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      03-12-2014 07:40 PM #34
      Can something like the E-3 AWACS or E-2 Hawkeye capable of finding a debris field?

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      03-12-2014 09:17 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by 69flyguy View Post
      are you referring to JetDrvr?
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      03-12-2014 09:26 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by Gern_Blanston View Post
      I salute you, sir!
      Years later and I still laugh. I found the PDF I had of that thread recently and laughed really hard.
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      03-12-2014 11:37 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by mx5er View Post
      Can something like the E-3 AWACS or E-2 Hawkeye capable of finding a debris field?
      How can a AWACS find a plane thats now aboard an alien mothership?

      On another note, this is a good read on Air France 447 which will likely come to play in this: https://www.informs.org/ORMS-Today/P...nce-Flight-447
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      03-13-2014 03:00 AM #38
      http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...3Drss_Page_One

      U.S. investigators suspect that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 stayed in the air for about four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, according to two people familiar with the details, raising the possibility that the plane could have flown on for hundreds of additional miles under conditions that remain murky.

      The investigators believe the plane flew for a total of five hours based on data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing Co. 777's engines as part of a routine maintenance and monitoring program.

      That raises a host of new questions and possibilities about what happened aboard the widebody jet carrying 239 people, which vanished from civilian air-traffic control radar over the weekend, about one hour into a flight to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur.

      Six days after the mysterious disappearance prompted a massive international air and water search that so far hasn't produced any results, the investigation appears to be broadening in scope.

      U.S. counterterrorism officials are pursuing the possibility that a pilot or someone else on board the plane may have diverted it toward an undisclosed location after intentionally turning off the jetliner's transponders to avoid radar detection, according to one person tracking the probe.

      The investigation remains fluid, and it isn't clear whether investigators have evidence indicating possible terrorism or espionage. So far, U.S. national security officials have said that nothing specifically points toward terrorism, though they haven't ruled it out.

      But the huge uncertainty about where the plane was headed, and why it continued flying so long without working transponders, has raised theories among investigators that the aircraft may have been commandeered for a reason that appears unclear to U.S. authorities. Some of those theories have been laid out to national security officials and senior personnel from various U.S. agencies, according to one person familiar with the matter.

      At one briefing, according to this person, officials were told investigators are actively pursuing the notion that the plane was diverted "with the intention of using it later for another purpose."

      As of Wednesday it remained unclear whether the plane reached an alternate destination or if it ultimately crashed, potentially hundreds of miles from where an international search effort has been focused.

      In those scenarios, neither mechanical problems, pilot mistakes nor some other type of catastrophic incident caused the 250-ton plane to mysteriously vanish from radar.

      The latest revelations come as local media reported that Malaysian police visited the home of at least one of the two pilots.

      Boeing officials and a Malaysia Airlines official declined to comment.

      The engines' onboard monitoring system is provided by their manufacturer, Rolls-Royce PLC, and it periodically sends bursts of data about engine health, operations and aircraft movements to facilities on the ground.
      Many areas in that part of the world are not friendly towards 'Western' interests. We could potentially see another attack come from this.

      Of course it could be nothing but the longer this lasts, the more concerned I get.

      It reads like the plot of a Tom Clancy/Clive Cussler novel.
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      03-13-2014 03:09 AM #39
      Hijacked a plane and landed somewhere ?

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      03-13-2014 05:03 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by The Maytag Man View Post
      It crashed.


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      03-13-2014 07:09 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Brendan@bwalkauto View Post
      Years later and I still laugh. I found the PDF I had of that thread recently and laughed really hard.
      I know. It still makes me laugh to think about it. I wonder where Commander Richard Ryan Healey is these days... Probably busy doing all the f-35 test flying for Lockheed, or helping the ICAO find Malaysia Flight 370 or solving all of Boeings DreamLiner problems for 'em.
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      03-13-2014 07:12 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by Gern_Blanston View Post
      I know. It still makes me laugh to think about it. I wonder where Commander Richard Ryan Healey is these days... Probably busy doing all the f-35 test flying for Lockheed, or helping the ICAO find Malaysia Flight 370 or solving all of Boeings DreamLiner problems for 'em.
      I was just boarding an American Eagle jet, and was tempted to ask the pilots if they've seen any Senior 777 Drvrs. Alas, the plane broke and we had to get off. Now I'm on a 737, and that's too far below his pay scale, so I didn't ask.
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      03-13-2014 09:42 PM #43
      So what was the deal with JetDrvr? Must have been before my time.
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    19. 03-13-2014 10:57 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by emmettlodge View Post
      So what was the deal with JetDrvr? Must have been before my time.
      IIRC he either completely lied, and or inflated about everything about himself.

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      03-14-2014 01:10 AM #45
      I missed all that stuff about JetDrvr (I don't do much of A.net anymore, and I only post in TechOps), wasn't he the guy who pretended to be a 777 Captain for UA or something?

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      03-14-2014 08:30 AM #46
      So he wasn't actually a JetDrvr? Or just not a Trpl7Drvr?
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    22. 03-14-2014 08:42 AM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by emmettlodge View Post
      So he wasn't actually a JetDrvr? Or just not a Trpl7Drvr?
      I seem to recall he was and AmrCnPigeon driver (American Eagle turboprop or maybe a jungle jet). He just LOVED posting in A&S as if he were a senior 777 captain with (factually wrong) statements about its operation etc. Some guys in here tracked him down and outed him, complete with his selfie picks looking at porn in the cockpit while the captain was sleeping mid-flight.

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      03-14-2014 09:47 AM #48
      Aliens?

      This whole story is also very ironic to me since I'm not a fan of flying. I had to fly a few months ago and on the return trip, I sat next to a pilot for the airline (we were on a 777) who assured me of how safe they are, how they can still land with no power, etc. This was also around the same time as the plane that landed at the wrong airport (which he also assured me that, while not impossible, was also highly unlikely). It's also amazing to me that in today's day and age of technology, satellite tracking, and all of that stuff, that something like this can just vanish for a week and counting with no clue as to its whereabouts. I keep hearing about satellites that can read license plates from orbit, but all China can do is offer up blurry blob pictures of something floating in the ocean?

      I guess they need to make sure future models don't have systems that can be turned off by the crew or something? Especially after 9/11, I would think every plane would have a constantly on tracking system anyway (or do they? I am obviously an aviation layman).
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      03-14-2014 10:50 AM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by 03GTI4Me View Post
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      ... after intentionally turning off the jetliner's transponders to avoid radar detection...
      Would one of the experts here please explain why it's even possible to do this midflight on a commercial passenger jet liner? I just don't understand why that would even be a possibility. Seems like such an important function that it ought to be accessible only when the plane is on the ground. If it has something to do with turning them off after touchdown I have to believe the technology exists to have the transponders shut off automatically under the appropriate conditions.

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      03-14-2014 10:59 AM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by FigureFive View Post
      Would one of the experts here please explain why it's even possible to do this midflight on a commercial passenger jet liner? I just don't understand why that would even be a possibility. Seems like such an important function that it ought to be accessible only when the plane is on the ground. If it has something to do with turning them off after touchdown I have to believe the technology exists to have the transponders shut off automatically under the appropriate conditions.
      If the transponder malfunctioned you would need to be able to turn it off. For example, it starts broadcasting a 75/76/7700 distress code and won't let you switch back to 1200 (or whatever your assigned code was if you were in the middle of working with ATC)...that would be a great time to use the offf switch so every controller that sees you doesn't **** their pants
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